[Podcast] Chatty AF 14: Spring 2017 wrap-up

Amelia, Dee, and Peter look back on the spring 2017 season! Recorded just yesterday, we have a few gaps in this one – comment below if you think we missed anything AniFem readers would want to know!

Spring 2017 Wrap-Up

Spring 2017 premiere rankings

Spring 2017 Anime Check-In

00:00 Intro
01:19 The Royal Tutor
04:58 Tsukigakirei
09:25 Alice & Zoroku
12:25 Kado: The Right Answer
17:40 WorldEnd
24:51 Granblue Fantasy
29:44 Kabukibu!
32:26 Sakura Quest
41:58 Grimoire of Zero
45:42 My Hero Academia
51:08 Eccentric Family
58:04 Attack on Titan
1:10:01 Berserk
1:11:55 Outro


Recorded Sunday 9th July 2017

Music: Open Those Bright Eyes by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License


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  • Dawnstorm

    @Alice to Zouroku: I’ll have to be the dissenting voice, here. I didn’t find the show drop off in quality; instead its steadily building to where it wants to be. I get the feeling that we’re stuck in the middle of the story at the end, but the anime finale was still quite satisfying for me.

    But I do agree with one thing: it’s not a story about stakes – about goals, obstacles and accomplishments. If you like stories to have sucha structure, you might not really connect with the show. Instead, the show’s far more of a SF show than I initially gave it credit for. It’s a story about growth and coming to understand things. Basically, scientist discover magic and magic in turn discovers scientists, and this becomes mutual curiosity to the extent that nobody reveals anything and it becomes a stalemate, and what eventually breaks the stalemate is… the slice of life genre.

    The show’s metaphor for that process is the coming of age story of Sana, and all the other side-characters moments of background revelation become foil moments that shed light on her development, but also quite literally moments that develop her character (because that’s what Wonderland made her for).

    There’s a pretty common concept in shounen (often used for villains, but also for outsiders) that to become human you have to be treated as human, and Alice to Zouroku turns that concept into the core of a SF story. At least that’s how I watched it, and under those assumptions the finale was hugely satisfying, as well as making me supremely interested in the source material (to find out where the story goes from here; at some point, they’ll have to dip into Zouroku and Sanae [his granddaughter]’s story).

    @Grimoir of Zero: Pretty much no development. They took the magic theme into the political realm but had no noteworthy character in the cast that’s plugged into politics enough for that to make a difference. One character ends up in politics, but that’s the start of that story at the end of the season, I think. It’s really just setting up a comfortable dynamic and runs with it.

    And I really have to get back to Kabukibu. I liked what I saw but put it on hold, because I subconsciouly kept comparing it to Rakugo, which had just finished, and that unfairly reduced my enjoyment of the show.

    • Dawnstorm

      Oh, and @Eccentric Faimly: We learn in the first season that Benten’s real name is Saotomi Suzuki. The name Benten isn’t self-chosen; it’s a position within the Friday Fellows (the only female one), and she makes the power aspect of it her own. Everyone thinks of her as Benten, to the extent that should she get expelled from the club, I’d expect the name to stick. How does she feel about her situation, I wonder?

  • I agree 100% with Amelia on Tsuki ga Kirei and Kabukibu!. Both are delightful series, and very much unexpected gifts for spring-season viewers. (And to answer Amelia’s question, I don’t recall anything objectionable in the remainder of the Kabukibu! episodes that she hadn’t yet watched.)

    One other point: Both series are self-contained at 12 episodes each (Tsuki ga Kirei also had one recap episode in the middle), so you don’t feel like you’re missing a satisfactory conclusion or need to read something else to continue the story. (Tsuki ga Kirei is an anime original, while Kabukibu! is adapted from an ongoing LN series but ends at a reasonable stopping point.)

  • 0utf0xZer0

    I’m pretty close to being that Venn Diagram for WorldEnd.
    Love moe tragedies (and near tragedies), dearly miss the genre’s heyday in the mid to late 00s.
    Loved Willem and Chtholly, albeit more so after I found out the age gap between them was considerably less than I had assumed.
    Not all that happy with the execution of either massage scene though the second is probably an improvement because of Nopht’s reactions (for those who haven’t seen it, she’s ticklish).
    The show grew on me a lot over it’s run – the cold open in episode 1 didn’t make me feel much when I started the show, but rewatching it as the ending approach really gave me the feels. It’s been a while since I got that invested in the climax of a show.

    So not even you three are feeling it on Sakura Quest. Feels like PA Works kind of blew it.
    If PAW needs a way to revitalize their “working women” series, may I suggest a Hanasaku Iroha sequel with adult Ohana? Would love to know what happens to Tomoe as well, she’s another favourite character of mine.

  • algoshuffler

    Loved Tsuki ga Kirei and The Eccentric Family. Though I think WorldEnd is a bit underrated here.
    Yes, you should totally do The Tatami Galaxy watchalong. Though it might not have that much relevance feminist-wise, it’s a great series.

  • redsilversnake

    Very much agreed on Tsukigakirei; its low-key nature was so refreshing when almost every other romance anime relies on trite, tired tropes. I didn’t really like the resolution to Akane and Kotarou’s first fight and would’ve preferred a more open ending, but it was still a nice surprise for the season.

    With Grimoire of Zero, yeah, Amelia’s not gonna find much of what she was looking for out of the show if she does watch the rest of it. It does contrast the mercenary with another beastfallen who actually chose to be one, but only very briefly and, going off her comments in this podcast and in her review of the premiere, not in the way she’d like.

    I’m also with all three on Sakura Quest, even though I’m probably enjoying it more; Dee’s explanation of why she isn’t liking as much as Shirobako likely has a lot of overlap with others who aren’t feeling it like they did with the other two working women anime.

    For Berserk, I’d honestly say I have more issues with its pacing than its animation.

    And since Fate/ was brought up, I’ll just throw out the first anime is generally considered a bad adaptation overall, so much so that it almost made the creators of the original visual novel give up on anime of their work.

    • Peter

      Oh yeah, Kotaro was pretty shitty to Akane and she was the one who ended up patching things up. That was a low point for me.

  • xlan

    Since you’ve covered Sakura Quest and Shirobako, I want to recommend the Moyoco Anno manga Hataraki Man. It revolves around a 28-yo magazine editor and focuses more on the issues of women in male-dominated workplaces than the P.A. Works shows. It was also made into an anime that aired in the noitaminA block back in 2006. Unfortunately the manga was never completed and I doubt that either version of Hataraki Man will ever see an English license.